sorry but I had to get it out of my system. -h.
hanno - hanno.bunjes@usa.net
THE FACTS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO ALL OF US, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. STASH RADIO WAS UNLAWFULLY GENERATING PROFIT THROUGH THE BROADCASTING OF PHISH'S MUSIC. WOULD YOU SELL A LIVE SHOW TO SOMEONE? IF SO, YOUR BREAKING THE LAW AND THERES NO JUSTIFING IT. STASH RADIO AND GROOVE TUBE BOTH GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED BECAUSE THEY WERE BREAKING THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS THAT THE BAND HAVE SET AROUND THEIR TAPING POLICY AND WE AS DEVOTED FANS SHOULD RESPECT THOSE RULES AND THE BAND. INFANT TANGO IS ONE COOL SONG.
GUYLUM BARDOT -
right on!
things like this could bankrupt the band
CT - ctking99@aol.com
it sickens me to see others putting down the band and their management for doing the right thing. be grateful that they let us freely tape and trade shows. that by itself should be more than enough to satisfy anyones craving for Phish during the off seasons, anything else is taking advantage of the band. all you nay sayers are just being selfish and should quit coming to shows because you obviously don't get it!
-infant tango -
i feel that if they do continue play of stash radio, then somebody should!
it was a great idea , i used it all the time ,
and if is worried about losing money over the deal , then they should work something out , if i had a band and someone did that i would , support it totally ,
beau miner - kazeee@hotmail.com
Phish is not just a band and their music is not just notes. Phish is an experience, and despite copyright laws and whatnot, everyone should be allowed to share in this experience. Stash radio played a big role in this spreading of the music, and all I can say is that it's a shame to see that Phish themselves are denying people the right to share in the eutopia they have created. Thumbs down boys.... way down.
The Great and Knowledgable - Icculus316@hotmail.com
First and foremost, it is important to realize that the music will NEVER DIE. Never! As long as people continue to put it up on the net and people continue to download it and spread it, it will be out there for those who are persistent enough to find it. All I have to say is make your .ra and .mp3 CD's NOW while you can...
Mark - nah@nowhere.net
I MUST ADMIT I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO FIND OUT THAT PHISH RADIO HAD BEEN TAKEN OFF THE INTERNET, BUT FROM THE MATERIAL I JUST READ I'M GLAD THE PROBLEM WAS TAKEN CARE OF. I HAD NO IDEA THE PHISH MUSIC WAS JUST A COVER FOR A GROUP OF SELF-INTERESTED COORPRATES. GOOD FOR THE BAND FOR PROTECTING THEMSELVES AND FOR TAKING THE TIME TO EXPLAIN TO THEIR FANS WHY THEY DID WHAT THEY DID.
M. ROBINSON - OHKEEPA@BELLSOUTH.NET
THAT KEY RING (the final word) SONG ROCKS!!! I've only heard it on phish radio, though.... :(
WE'LL SURVIVE!!!!!
PHISHPHREAK 1 - rhinocom1@uswest.net
i dont know
yogev - yogaf@netvision.net.il
Phish has been more than fair on taping rules in the past and they have never enforced any laws that they do not feel necessary. When corporate sponsorship becomes a problem, then they had to do something. Phish did what they had to do.
Richard - RossiHead@aol.com
the idea is good, and the web sight was entertaining, but commercialism does suck
god -
i loved the sight wish they would continue to play boot legs
stoner - sss420
it sucks...but that's the way they want it...oh well?
todd hinchman -
Hey i thimk they ( phish ) did what they had to do . any thing that still alowes us to tape is great .
multibeast420 -
it sucked anyway and we still have sugarmegs which is live and all anyone needs to hear
richard fordham - nyrf@hotmail.com
If it is illegal, then it is illegal. I liked it, but it was infringing on copyright laws that the band had explicitly set.
biggie - GonPhishn9@aol.com
hey, once again it is their namer and thier music...its is a priviledge that we get to tape and freely trade their shows...the main reason they stoped it was that it wasnt a fan page but yet another company selling US out....
tc
tc -
this really sucks I heared some really good music on this station and I need it back now .I heared trey play with one of those key rings that say fuck you you fucken jerk so bring it back please
albo -
this really sucks I heared some really good music on this station and I need it back now .I heared trey play with one of those key rings that say fuck you you fucken jerk so bring it back please
albo -
I understand why Phish has acted on this matter. But can a non-profit web site (i.e. - personal page) still broadcast live shows off Phish tapes? I would think so, just as long as no album recordings are used. What this matter really gets to is defining the limits and content of distribution over the web. Hopefully further restrictions won't be imposed.
Rob - domanski@ucsub.colorado.edu
Woah....Grove Tube and now this? What next? Sugar Meg? They better not or it will be a chaos
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My whole reaction to this is that Phish has a right to do this. Yes, it does suck but you have to think in a realistic way. We are pretty lucky that such a talented band lets us tape their shows. But I can understand why they wouldn't want profit made of of it by someone else. It is their stuff and it is copyrighted. People could make a lot of money of these tapes because they are so amazing. I'm just greatful that we can tape their shows.
Tim - Ehmakisupa
My whole reaction to this is that Phish has a right to do this. Yes, it does suck but you have to think in a realistic way. We are pretty lucky that such a talented band lets us tape their shows. But I can understand why they wouldn't want profit made of of it by someone else. It is their stuff and it is copyrighted. People could make a lot of money of these tapes because they are so amazing. I'm just greatful that we can tape their shows.
Tim - Ehmakisupa
Get the tapes...they sound better anyways
EP -
"Property is theft."
"Slavery is death."
"Anarchy is order."
"Whoever puts his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and a tyrant. I declare him my enemy."
"My conscience is mine, my justice is mine, and my freedom is a sovereign freedom."
"To be governed is to be watched over, inspected, spied on, directed, legislated, regimented, closed in, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, assessed, evaluated, censored, commanded; all by creatures that have neither the right, nor wisdom, nor virtue... To be governed means that at every move, operation, or transaction one is noted, registered, entered in a census, taxed, stamped, priced, assessed, patented, licensed, authorized, recommended, admonished, prevented, reformed, set right, corrected. Government means to be subjected to tribute, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, pressured, mystified, robbed; all in the name of public utility and the general good. Then, at the first sign of resistance or word of complaint, one is repressed, fined, despised, vexed, pursued, hustled, beaten up, garroted, imprisoned, shot, machine-gunned, judged, sentenced, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed, and to cap all, ridiculed, mocked, outraged and dishonored. That is government, that is its justice and its morality!"
-Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
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this suck we want STASH RADIO BACK
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If all of you lame dicks think they have done something wrong, then find another band to listen to! It's not a conspiracy, it's not about money, they are simply protecting thier intrests and upholding the laws of this country. This is the problem with most of you...you're looking for an excuse to bitchabout something that doesn't concern you anyway. If you don't like the decision, then stay home and don't go to any more shows...the true believers won't miss you anyway.
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phish is a band that should care about copyright laws. how would everyone like it if the infringements of the law by an unauthorized agent, forced phish to pay for this. tapers would become outlaws, and the beauty of reliving many of your favorite live moments would be destroyed.
would you sell a bootleg to a phriend?
John - jezmund@worldnet.att.net
All i have to say is BRING IT BACK-- NOW
Mike - terrasta11@aol.com
no more Stash? shitty deal as it made the days in between shows seem shorter....
junior - jfield@julian.uwo.ca
I am really bummed that I can't enjoy stash. Many times that was the first site I would go to. Typing papers won't be the same anymore
Mike Cimini - Cimm0691@em3.nr.cc.va.us
while it sucks that it got shut down, phish does have legal rights to do what it did. i dont blame the band or their management for anything, it just kinda sucks that we cant enjoy it anymore, ohh well. maybe phish will someday make their own type of stash-radio
phatbag@bagonuts.com - aldkjalsdkj
this sucks
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Let me say first I am a phan - I have gone to the Ball and the Went, I've been to 10 shows in the last year.
It is too bad that StashRadio was shut down, but the Phish lawyers do have a point. StashRadio was affiliated with AudioNet which is a for-profit enterprise, and at that one that in no way supports the band anyway. It is also true that a lot of the time when I tuned in, StashRadio was playing stuff off CDs, which is unnecessary - who hasn't heard them or doesn't have them? I don't need to get on the Net to listen to CDs most of which I own. So it seems that the lawyers were not unreasonable.
WHAT STASHRADIO SHOULD CONSIDER IS NOT PLAYING TRACKS OFF CDs AND CUT ITS TIES TO AUDIONET. THAT'S WHY THEY WERE SHUT DOWN. I THINK IF THEY DID THAT THEY COULD GO BACK ON. THAT'S WHY SUGARMEGS HAS NOT BEEN SHUT DOWN.
Miha Zupanek - mzupanek@hotmail.com
HEY MAN WHY CANT THEY BE KIND AND KICK DOWN THE TUNES DOOD? MAN LIKE I WENT TO THE WENT I KNOW WHAT PHISH IS ABOUT. THERE ABOUT KICKIN DOWN YER BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND SPREADING KIND LOVING VIBES TO HELP DESTROY BABYLON. NOW THEIR BEEEING BABYLON BY WANTING TO KEEP THERE TOONS OFF THE INTERNET. I THINK ITS NOT VERY FATTY OF THEM TO DO THAT.
deeznutz420@aol.com -
That's what sucks about fortune and power. You always have to have other people looking out for you. Too bad, it was just spreading a good thing.
Craig Beezley - cbee@mindspring.com
I think that this page adds fuel to a fire. I don't see why we need to focus on these things. The only reason I comment is that I see too many boneheaded opinions here.
To me, there is simply *no issue*. StashRadio was playing Phish *albums* in conjunction with a profit-making coporate entity. They deserved a lawsuit; merely shutting them down was *generous*.
Any of you who don't understand this simple concept of property are morons. Phish cares, and for that reason they must protect the music.
Dan Hantman - dan@archive.phish.net
I think its totally beat....phish is the type of band that shouldnt care about copyrights and all that other jazz....i dont know man but i hope they put it back up soon
Sean - Weekapug1@AOL.com
I still say its just a crock of shit, Stash Radio was making a small amount of money, PHISH management wants to control everything they legally can. Closing the GROOVE TUBE was even lamer. How can they justify this when they allow PRIME CUTS to sell bootlegs,and also be an authorized distributor of their merchandise? Phish trys to control our freedom of expression, not allowing us to be creative in their magical world. If we make T's or Stickers, or anything that remotely resembles PHISH, it will be confiscated at the shows. Starting in 90 Phish M became alot stricter, one day bringing cameras into shows was allowed, and then it was forbidden. Same with personalized Phish vending, one day it was allowed and the next it was like you broke a LAW. I think Phish M would close alot of web sites if they legally could. Maybe even this one. The fact that taping is allowed at shows is a small miracle, they had to fight their record company for that right. That's about the only right we have. It really blows how they shut us out of their world.
Jobby Slurge - willjune@mhonline.net
There is still Sugar Megs, and I am listening to the Nassau shows right now from their site (great shows - go hear 'em). Sugar Megs isn't going anywhere, for one because i don't see any advertisements on their site, and two b/c if Phish asked them to stop, they could just pull all their Phish material off, and continue on.
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HEY GUYS LETS LOOK AT WHAT STASH RADIO WAS DOING. THEY WERE MAKING MONEY OFF OF PHISH AND THAT IS BULLISHIT IN ITSELF. WHAT THEY DID THAT WAS REALLY WRONG WAS THAT THEY USED ALL OF US TO MAKE THEIR MONEY. I AM VERY UPSET THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THEY MADE MONEY OFF OF PHISH'S MUSIC. THEY TRIED TO HIDE THAT FACT FROM ALL OF US. WE WERE THE ONES WHO WERE LETTING THEM MAKE MONEY BY GOING TO THEIR SITE AND WE HAD NO IDEA THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING WAS WRONG. I FEEL BETRAYED THAT THESE GUYS EXPLOITED US AND PHISH. AT FIRST THE REACTION TO THEM GETTING SHUT DOWN WAS "WHY?" AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE FROM STASH HAD US BELIEVE THEY WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG. THEY STILL HAVEN'T FESSED UP AT THEIR OLD SITE AT LEAST THE GROOVE TUBE EXPLAINED THEMSELVES. NOW THAT EVERYONE HAS LEARNED THEY WERE IN IT FOR MONEY EVERYONE IS UPSET. WELL I THINK WE ALL SHOULD LET THEM KNOW HOW WE FEEL AT: mturner@audionet.com. AND BY THE WAY: TO THE PEOPLE AT STASH YOU OWE ALL OF US AND PHISH AN APOLOGY.
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It sucks! I mean, the guys who DJ on Stash did suck, but the music was good to relax to...We need to find a legal way to get that stuff back up and running! =)
Jay - bonaire@hotmail.com
money, money, money...
i'd say I own the back half of phish's stage by now
money... money... money
they are gazilllionaires, let the music (bootlegs) play, who needs studio anyway?
-joshua marc levy
josh -
it sucks because the more music i can listen to the better, but if its gotta go, so be it. i just hope that the web continues to allow me to listen to recent phish shows like stash radio did. the quality of stash radio's shows were pretty good too. oh well.
dan -
Right on! Long Live SugarMegs!!!
One to many distribution does not violate phish's trading policy it violates Electra's trading policy (as does one to one trading). Stash radio was alright, but, yes it was commercial, and you couldnt download. Sugarmegs allows you to download, and it doesnt cause a problem because its so much work to take the hours required to download this 20 MB file, then you need an adapter to go from your computer to tape deck to record. Only a fraction of the people actually take the time to do that, so actual distribution is rather low.
Scott - ssh.phish.tpa@mci2000.com
Good for Phish. Why do so many capitalists continue to view one of the greatest musical developments of our time as a money making opportunity? Now all they need to do is go after PRIME CUTS and all will be well for a while...
Clay - rmc135@psu.edu
Why listen to stash radio when you can have tons of great tapes, all the cd's, and not even tie up you phone line. Pages like SugerMegs are ten times better anyway. Just keep groovin'.
Aaron Fogg - ajfogg@mtu.edu
Alright, maybe Stash was making a little profit. But how much could they have been possibly making? PHISH is the organization making ridiculous amounts of money, not Stash Radio, by any stretch of the imagination. Come on, y'all at the Phish camp. If anything, it encourages new fans because they can become familiar with the music that's not on the CDs. It's not like people had to pay to subscribe or anything. How many people really bought AudioNet who went to Stash Radio. Maybe 5%. What a crock.
blah -
I think phish should set up their own "official" radio stationon the web. That would make everyone happy IMHO.
Evan - eboz@mail.utexas.edu
one more thing, stash radio's format was to play all album cuts. do you think that radio stations get songs by any band for free? they have to pay for the rights to broadcast copyrighted music. This is no different, stashradio was an unauthorized radio station and I"m glad they got nailed. sugarmegs.org is non commercial (although they are selling t shirts to offset the huge costs they have to pay for running their own server). try to stream top 40 album cuts 24/7 and see how long you last
david lowie -
I just hope the don't find anything wrong with sugarmegs!!!! LONG LIVE SUGARMEGS!!!! THE BEST REAL AUDIO SITE ONLINE!!!!!! Listen to 4-2 and 4-3-98 if you want, they're already on there and it's only 4-7. Wonder if I can put HTML in this thing...
http://sugarmegs.org
David Lowie -
think that was a cool move. Would you please ask the band to come to Florida Please. I have had to drive to Main twice and flew to RI just to see them. I wish they would do me the same.
Scott Dunlap - antelope@gate.net
ok, i agree with phish now- stash radio was using them to make audionet money.
dboz - dbox@mail.utexas.edu
With this new news about the RIAA I seem to be more confused. So do stash make money or were they just illegally advertizing using phish as a gimic? I don't understand how playing a Phish album on teh net for free can be profitable or breaks any copyrights. this is all Spanish to me and i just wish everyone who gets confused would be able to listen to the music play.
Andy Kahn - cactus@ocslink.com
At First i was baffled, what harm was StashRadio doing??? but now it is obvious, after reading the message from Phish.com that it should have been gone along time ago. Using phish's music to make a profit is wrong. It's just the same as selling bootleg tapes. Many traders are against it because phish gives us this music to share, not to sell. Plus, its not a big loss or anything, if you want to hear a show - get the tapes. Besides, 9 times out of 10 a show will sound better in your stereo than it will on most computer speakers. just my $0.02
justin - guyute@mem.net
I just wanted to say thanks to Phish.Com for the response to our complaints, and for clarifying what it seemed a lot of us didn't know, that Stash Radio, was making a profit.
Brian -
Stash radio was a nice concept but they should have clarified that they were making a profit from it. Also, how could they not expect to get caught playing the albums? Every one of those songs has a copyright and to play them publicly is a against the law. Silly people. I just hope Sugermegs doesnt fall into the same dillema... which probably wont happen.
Phlopcat - phlopcat@aol.com
apparently I was misinformed, i didn't know that StashRadio was making $$$ off of their broadcasts, which, looking back, were repititious and and annoying, why did all the broadcasts sound like they were being transfered via hollow tin can, or unhollow tin can with a sulphuric dust/peat moss vapor/ partially hydrogenated soybean oil mixture?
i'm glad the big digs at Phish Inc. have phinally vanquished a phormidable phoe!
r.s. hornsby - 9rhorns@episcopalhighschool.org
Oh well. It was OK, but it always sounded kinda bad and stalled once and a while. It really was only a benefit to those who didn't have any tapes. It was nice to hear some alternate versions of songs, but I'm sure many people didn't log on in order to listen to it. It was something that was just stumbled upon, and it was something that was enjoyed while it was here, but now it's gone, and phans will have to move on and find a new source.
Stretch - phishhead99@hotmail.com
Stash-Radio sucked, and I'm glad to see it go. I can put my own CD player on shuffle if I want to hear the same versions of the same tunes over and over. Go SugarMegs!!!
Adam Blue-Hat - adambluehat@hotmail.com
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this wouldn't happen if people would read the fucking manual.
It clearly states (and I quote) "DO NOT bend, fold, rip, tear, mutilate or set fire to your plate of food".
Geez people, wake up!!!!!!!
Harpua420 -
Here is my problem. Phish talks, and now everyone wants to turn on Stash Radio. That's bullshit! Some dick says that Stash Radio was a commercial site used to sell a product. I don't see it that way. They were there to give us music. Maybe it is wrong to sell advertising, but I could just imagine the cost to send us music via the internet. And how much money could they possible have made anyway. I am willing to bet that Stash Radio were still in the hole. Phish sits back and makes millions of dollars (off of us I might add) and then bitches when someone else is trying to spread the music, which in turn makes them more money. It's too bad that this whole thing is about money and not music anyway.
RGF - gacad@mylink.net
It never was a fan site...just another way to make money off of all of us. Stash Radio really wasn't that good at all...how many times can you listen to the studio version of Divided Sky without thinking to yourself, damn I'd like to hear a live version of this. Audionet makes a lot of money off of advertising and Stash Radio was just another pawn..good riddance. I like listening to the live "legal" shows anyway. By the way, how good was the spring tour. Great run.
Jorge Moralis -
this all makes sense.. Stash Radio wasn't all that great anyway... I'd rather listen to shows at sugarmegs. http://www.sugarmegs.org
paul daniel - colforbin@geocities.com
I put my thoughts on here yesterday without knowing the whole story. I guess they must have been a little shady and done things the wrong way. Hey we still have sugarmegs though and honestly no offense i think it is better.
keep goovin
John York Whitler - whitler@compuserve.com
I hate bootlegger's alnost as much as I hate scalpers - glad to see them gone.
nick - neste@conncoll.edu
What is this world coming to...?
Harold Hood - RathofRoth@aol.com
Well...I can understand the views here. Basically, they broadcasted stuff from the albums. That's known as piracy. I can understand audio samples on the ophicial website..but this is used to make money for another corporation, and to advertise for it. If these were live shows, like sugarmegs or any of the other live show sites, I would have a problem. But since these are things readily available to anyone that wants them, and most of us do, I understand it. I don't think that stash radio was some incurable evil, but I don't think that it was a postitive thing. Thanks for listening,
JEremy
Jeremy Blaustein - Jeremyb@oirp.umass.edu
After reading the previous posts here, it seems that people are not reading the entire message from Phish. They shut down StashRadio primarily because of it's affiliation with Audionet-a corporation. In the lawyers' view, StashRadio is benefitting from playing Phish. HOWEVER, Sugarmegs is just a fan site. They are simply sharin' the groove. They don't make any money, and there are no ads. Also, people are extrapolating this action to mean that Phish has turned into money-hungry rock stars. Back in 93 when DwD video came out, the "phish community" became concerned that the band was selling out. To this day, I see no signs that this is the truth. What other band plays puts on a huge party for it's fans, playing HOURS UPON HOURS for a weekend??? For those of us who have been around for a long time, we KNOW that Phish has ONE SINGLE priority: playing the most incredible music. If you seriously think that Phish has sold-out, then GET OFF THE BUS, and go see some other band! Maybe the shows will be smaller, and us diehards can bring back the early 90s!
The Truth - MDtoME@phish.org
I dunno if it changed since it started...but when it started it really sucked...it was only albums...if they were still only playing albums..i can't see it as much of a loss, and have to agree with the lawyers, however if that changed then its a shame, and i sure hope they don't go after sugarmegs.
Foster -
ONE word.....SUGARMEGS!!!!!!!!!! Who wants to read ads when you can enjoy NOTHING BUT MUSIC on Sugarmegs??? Phish tunes are meant for pure audio bliss, not an enticement to spend money.
Sugarmegs: the *kindest* site on the web!
Streamin' Fool - phishlive@nonprofit.org
Apparently Stash Radio had advertising on it..and using phish to attract people where they can see advertisements is not really permitted..you can see the managements point of view
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This is just another example of how gay they really are!!! Why let someone enjoy phish for free, when you can sell everything under the sun with Phish's name on it. "must make more $$$" The Lemon weel is just for the phans, oh by the way I hope you don't mind being charged an arm and a penis.
Later on,
Mr. Brett
Mr. Brett - rauldukehatesyou@hotmail.com
I really don't understand why they would shut down Stash Radio. It doesn't seem to make much sense at all.. Shutting down the groove tube was a little more understandable.. but. hmm.. I would really like to see the lawyers reasoning behind this one..
Whitney Lynn - wlynn@widomaker.com
Well...like everyone else said...if it's the Cd's they're upset about then that's ok...if it's the shows...then fuck that.
The thing about Sugarmegs...at least they can't take down the Dead shows and everything else...it will still suck large of course...but they certainly cannot shut down the whole site
Chris Morris - flixy@hotmail.com
NEVER LISTENED TO IT, BUT DEFINATELY SOUNDS GREAT
ANYONE SHUTTING DOWN A pHiSh STATION SHOULD BE DRAGGED OUT INTO THE STREET AND SHOT LIKE THE DOG THAT THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!
(METAPHORICALYSPEAKING OF COURSE)
PUT IT BACK AND PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO FIND THIS!
JAMISON attheadrtschoolinPGH - WISH I HAD ONE
How can they do this? All the bad scene talk from the minnie tour and now this. bad karma has befallen us. beware one
beware all.
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How can they do this? All thebad scent alk from the minnie tour and now this. bad karma has befallen us. beware one beware all.
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it doesn't make much since to me why management would shut down stash and still allow taping at shows. whats next? are they gonna allow us to tape, but only listen to tapes ourselves, and not trade? what was the difference with stash? anyways, it will be missed!
justin - jrholt@hamlet.uncg.edu
Its all about the lawyers, no doubt. They are always doing their best to spoil a good time. Do you think it was actually the band that decided that it had to go? I don't think so.
Groove Tube was different, I mean the band has implored the no video taping rule from about the start. But, audio?
Its not like anyone was trying to make a buck on it, was it? No advertisements, right?
I am afraid that Sugarmegs will go next. That would be really upsetting.
Don Davies - dondavies@yahoo.com
What I don't understand is that the feed on Stash
Radio was 8bit or 16bit feed. The quality is not
good enough to make even a mediocre sounding tape
for home stereo. If I wanted to make a bootlegg
CD, I would trade for a sweet DAT source from
somebody on the net and then make money off that..
Shutting down Stash Radio does not make sense
from the profiteering perspective. Maybe it was
a problem that they played the albums on there..
I wish I would see an explanation from the lawyers. The band doesn't want Stash Radio because....
I am bummed out by this...
Misha - misha@securities.com
stash was great listen to while on the net, but
if it has to go, oh well.
GreensKeeperWilly - jgiesen@snet.net
This suxs, i love stash radio. How the hell do we bring it back?
Adam - Addrock101@aol.com
This definitely is not the coolest thing that has happened lately. I understand management's decision, and you have to understand that they are in the right. Nobody got hurt, but they make the calls.
I think sugarmegs will be ok, because it is like your own little private Idaho. There is too much respect and demand for sugarmegs. Stashradio was phat as hell, and a great thing, but their are FCC codes and regulations about the matter that pertaing to having a live wave of music 24-7. That could be a big reason right there. Either way, I managed on the last day to get some of the feed (three hours) stocked away in my hard drive so I'll always have the memory of stashradio. E-mail the founders of the site and thank them for all of the hard work they did and the great service they provided for all of us. Thank you Stashradio!!!!!!
Mark Keady - kendall@horizon.hit.net
Though I agree that I can't see the practical harm in allowing Stash Radio to exist, technically it probably DOES violate some law about re-broadcast of Phish's (intellectual) property without the band's consent. As with the Groove Tube, I think the band is still wincing from the whole "Woodbury" video court case.
Brett Gentzel - gentzel@usa.net
YOU WANT MY OPINION? DO YA'? WELL, I'M THOROUGHLY PERTURBED. I REALLY ENJOYED STASH RADIO AND NOW I CAN'T GET MY DAILY PHIX O' PHISH!!!! BUT THEN AGAIN THAT IS JUST MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lukas Olsen - hippie79@rocketmail.com
what the fuck?!!!!! I don't think Phish knows what is going on. Stash Radio has done nothing wrong. I would like to know the real reason why they shut this down. Do they have something planned? Im sure it has something to do with playing the CDS. Does the management not want Phish to be mainstream? If thats the case then I am all for it.
john ducharme - stash40@hotmail.com
BUMMER - they better not mess w/ Sugarmegs!! If we can trade tapes why can't we listen to 'em over the net? I never visited stash radio - did they have advertisements on their page? If so I can maybe see why the phishy lawyers would do something about it - ads mean a profit is being made - tho I suspect a very small profit since its not free to update and upkeep such a page. Still, any profit being made using anything Phish related is frowned upon. I know from having my original artwork t-shirts taken b/c they had "Gamehendge" on them. I say they are going after the wrong people - get the bootleggers who are making real money from the discs they sell. Let the real fans "feed from the morsels they (Phish) happen to drop." Gotta have some way to support touring besides/in between "spanging" (spare changing) or charging it all to Daddy's gold card. Oops got off the subject a little there - I doubt Stash radio was a source of money for its operators to go on tour. Also - don't these lawyers have anything better to do than search the web for "bad" phish sites?
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Whoops, I forgot to type ont hat previous message, anyways, why is STash Radio Shut down, is it because of Phish? E-mail me the info, thanks a lot :)
Ken Rawlins - RidedaSnke
GAWD, THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MOVE YET. If the band really wanted to attract more ppl they should praise Stash Radio. Legal tapes are legal tapes, no matter where.
SuprSKunK - suprskunk420@hotmail.com
Ken Rawlins - RidedaSnke
Attention everyone...I think we all know what's next. One word - "Sugarmegs"!!!!!
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This is bullshit!!! If live tapes are allowed to circulate among fans, why is it illegal to for fans to have free access to a 24/7 feed over the internet? I think the lawyers at "Phish, Inc." are busting to many balls (especially shutting down the Groove Tube). Keep it real, Kevin (one of Phish's lawyers)
Peter Wootton - pdw@wam.umd.edu
with the increasing technology out there and how easy it is to download something off of the internet, i do not blame the band for shutting STASH down. This just makes it that much easier for those bootleg cd companies to get the great shows and charge outrageous prices to us the fans for something we can get for free anyway. I feel Phish did this to protect the art of taping a show and to all of the phans who enjoy the practice of trading. They don't want us, the real fans, and we shouldn't want, a huge ILLEGAL operation to make money for something that they have no part in. Just my $.02
fluffhead - d40894@aol.com
It makes no sense that Stash Radio was shut down. The band allows audio taping of the shows, so why not let people transmit it over the Internet? It is no detriment to the band, it probably only enhances their image.
If the reason they were shut down was because they played stuff of the CDs as well, why not just ask them to stop doing that and play live stuff only?
Miha Zupanek - mzupanek@hotmail.com
Bull Shit, pure bull shit, nothing else, I guess Phish is becoming like every other band, money driven, to bad I thought they were the last band that gave a shit about the experience and not the money, guess i was wrong, this really upsets me
Kris Booth - kbooth1@frontiernet.net
this is getting out of hand. just let the people listen to the music. It isn't like we are going to stop going to shows, or stop buying the albums if we listen to stash radio or watch the groove tube.
dan - dbuchner@wam.umd.edu
Why was Stash shut down? they did not do anything illegal (unless playing the albums was illegal, but they should have stopped that anyways). They entertained us all, I had stash going almost every time i was online. This sucks
Scott O'Brien - antelope@snet.net
This scares me. Phish represents to me a different way of doing things and this smacks of "corperate same old same old" I thought that they were in control of their vision. Have they handed the reigns over to the bean-counters?? Whats next??? Lets hope and pray that the whole party doesn't come grinding to a halt. I really think that it is time for the band to come forward and explain some of the recent goings on.
daneel - daneel@execulink.com
Start it up again under a different name :-)
jake - snacob@yahoo.com
Wasn't Stash radio playing the band's CD's
(not live material)? In my opinion, taping is
free and should be distributed however (internet or tapes), but Phish's recorded catalogue is indeed the band's right to not have broadcasted if it doesn't want someone to.
Frilly Tom - floopie@earthlink.net
I think that sucks!
Stash Radio was the BOMB!
Bring it back please!!
Scott Yates - syates420@aol.com
hi andy kahn and andy gadiel
first thanks to andy g. for putting this on here i think i suggested it. Next, andy k, i mean dan ki hope you feel the sensation i mean better bro.
so this stach thing is bad isn't it. what about the policies of taping shows is ok. So now we can tape but not listen. What a crock! Come on Boys we want to listen. Stash provided a great way for new fans to get a Taste of the groove conveniently and cheeply. We have to many lawyers in this world. Let's all live happy and love more. It is all about love and understanding and communication. O h yeah what about sugarmegs and the others?
that is it for now
John Whitler(Hi andy K.) -
Phish is a money making machine and they want to protect their music. I really do not see how listing to taped concerts over the internet will deduct from their massive profits. Whats scary is the lawsuit in San Fransico over poster making. It would not surprize me if they banned taping, or arrest kids for making t-shirts. Dont buy "bootlegs" on cd, its people who are making a profit off of Phish music who are causing the problems.
Steven Casey - scasey@acusd.edu
As a devoted fan, I can understand the reasoning behind the Groove Tube site being shut down. Videotaping the performances is not permitted, and the risk for some enterprising individual to make some money from this is high, but what about Stash Radio? What did they do? It had been a while since I had been to the site, but I don't recall any advertising or anything of the sort that would have made the site profitable. I feel the fans of the band deserve an answer to the recent happenings in the business side of things. What is next? No more taping of the shows? Where will the line be drawn. I know I wouldn't have ever gotten to know the songs the way I do without the tapes, no matter how many shows I've gone to. I can see that Phish doesn't want and shouldn't allow anyone else to profit from their work, but remember who brought them there. THE FANS! After I attended the shows on Long Island, I realized that this was the first show where I really saw a push to stop the vending in the lot. Maybe I'm incorrect but that was my first experience with that. Then the new shirts that have been appearing the last 2 years are really aimed at eliminating the bootleg shirts in the lot. Has anyone seen the "Bathtub Gin" or "Dirt" or "Tweezer" shirts lately. These shirts are modeled after the shirts sold in the lots around the country. I'm sorry but I can understand the aims of some of the bands business practices, but what's next? Are they going to end up like the Dave Matthew's Band? Alienating their real fans? I sincerely hope not. I just believe the fans deserve a detailed explanation to the shutting down of Stash Radio....
Sorry if I rambled on too much, but it's late out here.
Thanks,
Brian
Brian Harmande - Poster4629@aol.com or Bharmande@issltd.com
It's to bad, I really enjoyed it. What will be next?
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Stash radio did nothing wrong! plain and simple
Dan Nikesch - x97nikesch@wmich.edu
Fuckin Bullshit! what the hell is going on here? The tube was shut down b/c the videos were obtained illegaly and Phish prohibites video taping. However the act of Audio taping is 100% legal and last I checked playing the tapes after recording the shows was legal too. What is the basis for this page to get shut down? what did they do that broke any written rule? Stash radio was a great page and let me listen to phish FREE while i was on-line. It really scares me what's next.
Andy Kahn - cactus@ocslink.com
I agreed with The Groove Tube being shut down, but now StashRadio...well not so much Stash Radio, but the possibility of SugarMegs being shut down? I go to SugarMegs every day to hear Phish and other bands. I assume Stash got shut down because they were broadcasting a Phish "radio show", which apparently is illegal. I just hope SugarMegs can remain as is.
John Joyce - Joyce.18@nd.edu
Andy's Phish Page